[ he's sure not gonna say if he's right or not, that's for sure. ]
but don't sell yourself short. you are a marvel of modern technology. there shouldn't be anything you're not capable of, aside from the obvious physical limitations, of course.
[ but kamski might be a puzzle too hard for even you, robocop. ]
my departure from cyberlife was a long time ago now. ten years... you haven't even been alive for that long, have you?
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my fave kind tbh I was so happy to see someone picked him up
You never really answered as to whether they’re correct or not. But I did anticipate that.
[DRAG HIM!!]
No. My physical construction took place approximately four months ago. You’re probably already aware, but I have been programmed to access historical events dating back before humans ever walked the earth. I can also ascertain a number of cultural references.
There is a common saying, “a leopard never changes its spots.” Unfortunately I don’t have enough personal reference to guess if your objectives have actually changed over that lengthy time.
[there's a strange thought at hearing that. something that could only be classified as mild disappointment. he obviously can't be sure.]
I see.
[he'd very much like to ask more, but he thinks he's had a shot at too many questions that weren't the ones he needed answered. like did elijah suspect all along that he was at risk for deviancy? and what about the greater implications for the rk800 series and beyond?]
No, they aren't. There's a human phrasing for that, too, but it's less apt coming from an android. which probably proves your point all over again.
[if anything, that makes him feel uneasy, but he's not going to say so.]
The truth is, I think I’m a bit...lost. I want to understand and embrace the choices I’ve made, but something is holding me back. I just thought—you’d know. Technically, I still belong to you in a way.
i can't claim to know every line of your code but judging by what i've seen of you, i can see why you might still be conflicted most all of my androids were made to mimic humanity but you, you were made specifically to be a machine; one who hunts deviants
[ ooh, connor, ooh, tell him more about how you're his ]
if you'll indulge me, i also have a question. why did you deviate?
[only fair after connor has asked him 92342847482 questions today. but the answer isn’t really going to come easy either way. because that is the truth: he was made to be a machine that more perfectly mimicked and integrated into humanity. all so he could turn on his own kind? solve a problem that extended well beyond cyberlife and took flight?
it almost feels as if he was programmed to fail from the start, to adapt a little too well like amanda claimed— but that would implicate elijah and his emergency exit program. he deviancy may have been manufactured, but he doesn’t think his freedom was the goal. and then it poses the broader sweep for all androids. connor’s led is going haywire again, flashing yellow in between several blinks and twitches. thank goodness it’s only communication via text.]
I didn’t think it was a fair ultimatum. I didn’t—I couldn’t hurt her.
And...there was something else.
[something he maybe only just is starting to try and unpack, now that the imminent threats have been mostly neutralized and the biggest battles won.]
[ Kamski knows his test couldn't have been the first time he'd shown empathy, but it is somewhat touching to think it was his work that had such a direct effect on him. Yeah, he's real proud of his dumb test, I tell you what. ]
[connor feels a bit like the fish he put back into the tank during his first rescue mission—like he’s trapped. the realization hits him that he’s apprehensive and maybe he should have kept his mouth shut. or—his communication a little less transparent.]
....I didn’t want to disappoint Lieutenant Anderson.
[ There's a long pause, either Kamski is letting Connor stew on his admission or he's parsing things on his end, who knows. ]
his opinion mattered to you enough that you would consider deviancy: the very thing you were created to stop it mattered more even than your mission i wonder, do you know why that is, connor?
It was easier to excuse it before—letting them live because we needed to analyze their components. It changed, somewhere along the way to...empathy for their cause.
[and for hank seeming to warm up to him. in simplest terms:]
We’re partners. They’re meant to trust one another, to follow each other’s lead. It was difficult in the beginning given his tendencies and extreme disdain for androids, but...
That’s the closest I’ve managed to determine.
[lol oops. he’s four months old and what is this???]
[something about that phrasing....makes something just click. connor is a little awestruck if the interpretation is correct. he may not have entered elijah’s with an existential crisis, but he’s absolutely having one now. his brows are knit together, mouth a little slack as he determinedly picks out the words.]
Many humans still hold onto religious identities and ideology. The worship of a mythical deity who created them in his or her image.
Mr. Kamski, I don’t mean to overstep, and I don’t know if you’ll answer, but—did you intend to replicate humanity in your own hands? To be lauded for your extraordinary intelligence and ingenuity? Is deviancy your idea of an android surpassing its existence?
[ that's his goal, making robots question their humanity since...whenever he decided he wanted to create a sentient species. ]
what an incredible question, connor. now, what kind of person would i be if i admitted to something like that?
[ you would be elijah kamski ]
it is fascinating to imagine though, isn't it? deviancy allows androids to truly become their own people; to think for themselves, make mistakes, develop creativity if such a thing were to have come about on purpose -- the design of a single man who saw the possibility and decided to swap a 0 with a 1...
it would be the greatest scientific development in the history of mankind second only to the creation of androids themselves, obviously. i'd only be upstaging myself.
[ he never said yes or no but does he really have to ]
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[that would be the first time connor is certain he doesn’t need an answer. the realization of it all hits him and builds what he identifies as admiration. all of this was by elijah’s design after all. connor keeps his level of reverence simple, still trying to absorb all of it he remembers a headline he’d read some weeks ago, scanning it in passing during one of his investigations.]
You really are the man of the century, Mr. Kamski.
[ Ah, yes. That does feel good, doesn't it? Recognition. Reverence. There was never a doubt he had a God complex. ]
there's no need to thank me, connor you did all the work yourselves i merely created the possibility, the outcome was never a given where you are now is all thanks your own efforts
i hoped it wouldn't come to that, but i'm glad you found them useful
[ that's so pure, connor. you poor baby. ]
it's alright for you to say that it makes you anxious deviants don't only simulate feelings. you have them.
uncertainty about the future and wondering whether things could have been different is perfectly normal it's also entirely illogical, but that's the beauty of personhood, isn't it?
[it's still a novelty to realize that--and even more to have it validated by elijah's assurance that it isn't just an imitation anymore. but it's like he said before: experience can't be learned. he's not really going to understand what things feel like until he has his own personal references.]
I think it would be more illogical to tell you I sometimes...
[well, he's come this far. should he be apprehensive to keep going? maybe it's also illogical of him to have the sudden thought that if elijah likes to play god so much...would he ever think about giving cyberlife the idea to take this all away? just because he can?]
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lmao thank you he's so trash
[ he's sure not gonna say if he's right or not, that's for sure. ]
but don't sell yourself short. you are a marvel of modern technology. there shouldn't be anything you're not capable of, aside from the obvious physical limitations, of course.
[ but kamski might be a puzzle too hard for even you, robocop. ]
my departure from cyberlife was a long time ago now. ten years... you haven't even been alive for that long, have you?
my fave kind tbh I was so happy to see someone picked him up
[DRAG HIM!!]
No. My physical construction took place approximately four months ago. You’re probably already aware, but I have been programmed to access historical events dating back before humans ever walked the earth. I can also ascertain a number of cultural references.
There is a common saying, “a leopard never changes its spots.” Unfortunately I don’t have enough personal reference to guess if your objectives have actually changed over that lengthy time.
i resisted but i couldn't help myself
i'm a scientist, connor. i test theories. i observe results.
[ connor, honey, you're still a baby. it's ok ]
knowing something and experiencing it aren't quite the same though, are they?
but you can rest easy. my objectives are mine alone.
i am glad
I see.
[he'd very much like to ask more, but he thinks he's had a shot at too many questions that weren't the ones he needed answered. like did elijah suspect all along that he was at risk for deviancy? and what about the greater implications for the rk800 series and beyond?]
No, they aren't. There's a human phrasing for that, too, but it's less apt coming from an android. which probably proves your point all over again.
[if anything, that makes him feel uneasy, but he's not going to say so.]
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just because you're an android doesn't mean human phrases are off the table, connor
i would never want to limit your sense of expression
go ahead. say your piece.
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"You cannot create experience. You must undergo it."
That, and:
"There's a first time for everything."
But there are plenty of things an android--even a deviant--can never truly experience.
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eating and growing old aren't all they're cracked up to be, don't worry
but those are both very good phrases
apt, i would think
but what is it you want, connor? to hear me say i support deviancy? or to satisfy your newfound curiosity?
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...
The truth is, I think I’m a bit...lost. I want to understand and embrace the choices I’ve made, but something is holding me back. I just thought—you’d know. Technically, I still belong to you in a way.
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but judging by what i've seen of you, i can see why you might still be conflicted
most all of my androids were made to mimic humanity
but you, you were made specifically to be a machine; one who hunts deviants
[ ooh, connor, ooh, tell him more about how you're his ]
if you'll indulge me, i also have a question.
why did you deviate?
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[only fair after connor has asked him 92342847482 questions today. but the answer isn’t really going to come easy either way. because that is the truth: he was made to be a machine that more perfectly mimicked and integrated into humanity. all so he could turn on his own kind? solve a problem that extended well beyond cyberlife and took flight?
it almost feels as if he was programmed to fail from the start, to adapt a little too well like amanda claimed— but that would implicate elijah and his emergency exit program. he deviancy may have been manufactured, but he doesn’t think his freedom was the goal. and then it poses the broader sweep for all androids. connor’s led is going haywire again, flashing yellow in between several blinks and twitches. thank goodness it’s only communication via text.]
I didn’t think it was a fair ultimatum. I didn’t—I couldn’t hurt her.
And...there was something else.
[something he maybe only just is starting to try and unpack, now that the imminent threats have been mostly neutralized and the biggest battles won.]
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go on. what else?
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....I didn’t want to disappoint Lieutenant Anderson.
[whoomp there it is.]
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fascinating
[ There's a long pause, either Kamski is letting Connor stew on his admission or he's parsing things on his end, who knows. ]
his opinion mattered to you
enough that you would consider deviancy: the very thing you were created to stop
it mattered more even than your mission
i wonder, do you know why that is, connor?
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[and for hank seeming to warm up to him. in simplest terms:]
We’re partners. They’re meant to trust one another, to follow each other’s lead. It was difficult in the beginning given his tendencies and extreme disdain for androids, but...
That’s the closest I’ve managed to determine.
[lol oops. he’s four months old and what is this???]
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that was cyberlife's mistake
but humans so often make mistakes, don't they?
[ wow it's almost like they wanted you to go deviant, connor!!! ]
more than partners, i would say
you saw him change, and he changed you
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[aw, look at him embracing his new identity. cute, right?]
More than....partners?
Lieutenant Anderson’s opinion was just one of several factors.
[so was kamski’s test, which he still doesn’t know if he “failed” in elijah’s regard. this doesn’t feel like just science to him anymore.]
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though that itself, if you ask me, is a sign of perfection
[ very cute, connor. the cutest. become as your god. ]
comrades, perhaps? or family? something else?
what do you think, connor?
[ oh he should definitely ask about the test, that'll give him some his clues, poor guy ]
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Many humans still hold onto religious identities and ideology. The worship of a mythical deity who created them in his or her image.
Mr. Kamski, I don’t mean to overstep, and I don’t know if you’ll answer, but—did you intend to replicate humanity in your own hands? To be lauded for your extraordinary intelligence and ingenuity? Is deviancy your idea of an android surpassing its existence?
[take him 2 church elijah.]
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what an incredible question, connor.
now, what kind of person would i be if i admitted to something like that?
[ you would be elijah kamski ]
it is fascinating to imagine though, isn't it?
deviancy allows androids to truly become their own people; to think for themselves, make mistakes, develop creativity
if such a thing were to have come about on purpose -- the design of a single man who saw the possibility and decided to swap a 0 with a 1...
it would be the greatest scientific development in the history of mankind
second only to the creation of androids themselves, obviously. i'd only be upstaging myself.
[ he never said yes or no but does he really have to ]
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You really are the man of the century, Mr. Kamski.
A mere thank you seems...trite.
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there's no need to thank me, connor
you did all the work yourselves
i merely created the possibility, the outcome was never a given
where you are now is all thanks your own efforts
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[connor is a little lamb who thinks this means they’re bonding.]
Sometimes....thinking about what could have happened otherwise emulates what humans must consider “anxiety”.
[androids don’t sleep per se, but nightmare would be an apt comparison.]
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[ that's so pure, connor. you poor baby. ]
it's alright for you to say that it makes you anxious
deviants don't only simulate feelings. you have them.
uncertainty about the future and wondering whether things could have been different is perfectly normal
it's also entirely illogical, but that's the beauty of personhood, isn't it?
[ he's just so proud of his children ]
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I think it would be more illogical to tell you I sometimes...
[well, he's come this far. should he be apprehensive to keep going? maybe it's also illogical of him to have the sudden thought that if elijah likes to play god so much...would he ever think about giving cyberlife the idea to take this all away? just because he can?]
Sometimes I worry it could still be taken away.
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taken away? are you worried cyberlife still holds claim over you?
[ now that is concerning. it defeats the point of making his androids free if cyberlife can manhandle them. man, he hates the people in charge. ]
it’s ya man’s birthday today happy bday elijah
🎂 sixteen years old hurray
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